An Analogy Falls Flat
So this past Sunday I went with Crista and Melanie to church at Rock Harbor. It turned out to be a question and answer day. What initially seemed might interest me quickly turned into a death spiral. It was a no-go from the get-go, in fact.
The first question had to do with explaining predestination. The answer, while well intentioned and superficially clear, hid a swirling pool beneath it. Here’s how the explanation basically went:
If I [the pastor], as the father of a 2 1/2 year old, set down a bowl of ice cream and a bowl of broccoli in front of my son, I can tell you which he would eat 100 out of 100 times. See, I give him the choice: there’s the healthy choice of broccoli and the tasty but unhealthy choice of ice cream. He has a choice, I know that he will pick, with certainty, the ice cream, but providing the option in no way forces the choice.
Now, some of you may be thinking, “hmm, that’s a good way to look at it”, but I can’t share that sentiment. Breaking the example down, let’s look at the elements and how they correlate to the belief of faith. The father in the analogy is obviously God. The broccoli is healthy, but not always what you want, yet it remains best for you. That’s God’s will, path, or way for you. The ice cream, it’s tasty, but can make you overweight, have high cholesterol, maybe even develop diabetes if the indulgence continues. This is the choice of sin in the analogy. OK, we’re good so far.
What’s not good is that the analogy only goes half way. Talking about predestination without addressing the problem of evil or notion of a just God is like teaching somebody to bake a cake but skipping the part when you get to the oven. So let’s take the analogy to it’s likely extension. I don’t think I’m taking liberties with the teaching at all, I believe this is truly the likely direction the story would go.
So what happens after the 2.5 year old son eats 100 bowls of ice cream and 0 bowls of broccoli? As mentioned above, the consequences include weight problems, high cholesterol, definitely a stomach ache, possibly temporary lower gi problems, you get the idea. What does a father do when his son gets sick like that? Well, probably he will take him to a doctor. The doctor will ask questions about the stomach ache, probably including “How are his eating habits”, at which point, the father must fess up about offering 100 meals of ice cream or broccoli. Now, what do you expect the doctor to say? “Well, that’s very loving of you, it’s good to give your kid the choice”? Not very likely. I predict the answer is something like “You need to stop offering your kid the choice of ice cream”. At the human level, we place a degree of causality and responsibility on the father. His child doesn’t know any better, it’s what he wants. If he keeps offering the ice cream, the kid will likely keep eating it. Granted, even if the doctor realizes conditioning would eventually kick in for the child, he’s going to recommend holding back on the ice cream. If you somehow object, chunk the idea down and question yourself. Is it right and good for the doctor above to give the advice I suggested? What would your moral position be in regards to the father disregarding the physician’s advice to the health detriment of the child. Finally, ask yourself the next question that comes into your head.
So, if this is the parallel presented, is the father in this example truly loving? Is this really a good example?
If you appreciated this example, let me be clear on this. I am not attacking your beliefs. I am confronting what I believe to be an example of the weak logic we perpetually rely on in the attempt to justify/defend/spread faith.
And most important above all, I’m letting you see what goes on in my head.
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27. April 2006 at 12:08
On the one hand, all analogies break down at some point. On the other hand, that one is exceptionally weak.
27. April 2006 at 12:11
I agree, analogies usually crumble when expanded. But this one, I just didn’t like because from the get go I was thinking, “Um, that’s bad parenting!”
27. April 2006 at 19:34
I thought the analogy would have better if the options weren’t at war with one another… like broccoli and brussel sprout or icecream and candy bars… knowing what one will pick is the point, not the choosing between “good” and “bad” (In my opinion.)
27. April 2006 at 23:13
Ya, I’ve seen ice cream and rocks, which seems to make it a bit different.
28. April 2006 at 06:35
I think also, that a child only chooses what they eat after a certain age. If you ask Mike, I’m sure he does not allow his child that option at his young age. It is not until we have some knowledge of what is good for us that we are given the choice by our parents.
28. April 2006 at 18:59
thanks for the peek inside your head!
3. May 2006 at 22:19
I was at that service too and I don’t think that Mike was actually drawing an analogy that set a good/healthy/righteous option vs bad/unhealthy/sinful option. I think he was more talking about God fully understanding what a given person would do in any given situation. Now, in the case of a young boy presented with a simple dietary choice, his father “knows” that the child WILL choose the icecream. Mike went on to talk about one way to veiw God’s foreknowledge and predestination that’s called “middle knowledge” and that’s what the analogy was referring to.
However, if the analogy was meant in the way you heard it, I tend to agree with you and the responsibility of the father. But, for what it’s worth, God as father tells us we will never be tempted beyond what we can bear. It seems like your reading of the analogy has the father being held responsible for basically tempting his child with the more fun but worse for him option of ice cream. The father should rather put options in front of the son that he knows that his son can bear. Does that make sense?
Anyway, I hope that you haven’t been too turned off by a random guy posting on your blog. Thanks for the thoughtful reflection and response to the message. The Church Universal needs more people like you!
18. May 2006 at 12:00
If a father knows absolutely which option his child will choose, isn’t that by definition a greater temptation than the child can bear? In the example, the father has engineered the situation to elicit a particular response from the child. If we accept that the father is successful in this (which is necessary to ascribe to the father an omniscience not bound by time), then the child has truly been deprived of free choice. If it is even remotely possible that the child might choose the broccoli (a possibility that most listeners accept despite the requirement of the example that it is not available), then the father’s knowledge is bound by time. He may understand why the child chose what he chose, but he didn’t know absolutely what that choice was before it was made.